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LIVE BLOG: Tesla (TSLA) Q2 2021 earnings call summary

Tesla Model Y body shop in Gigafactory Texas. (Credit: Tesla)

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With its second-quarter results that include $11.958 billion in revenue and $1.1 billion of GAAP net income, Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) has all but proven that it could be a sustainable business. With Q2 2021 in the bag, after all, Tesla has now posted eight profitable quarters in a row, and that’s despite an ongoing chip shortage and supply chain issues. 

As discussed in the company’s Q2 2021 Update Letter, Tesla achieved some milestones in the second quarter. Commissioning has started in some areas of Gigafactory Texas, and Giga Berlin is also moving forward. What’s more, Gigafactory Shanghai has also completed its transition as the company’s primary vehicle export hub. The development of 4680 cells has also moved forward. Even Tesla Energy hit some stride in Q2 2021, with battery storage deployments tripling year-over-year in the second quarter. The same was true for Solar Roof deployments. 

Tesla’s Fremont Factory. (Credit: peekaystudio/Instagram)

The following are live updates from Tesla’s Q2 2021 earnings call. I will be updating this article in real-time, so please keep refreshing the page to view the latest updates on this story. The first entry starts at the bottom of the page.

15:40 PT: And that’s a wrap, everyone! I gotta admit, it’s kind of sad that this may one of Elon Musk’s last regular earnings call appearances. It does make sense, though, as Tesla is in a much better place now compared to before. We can never forget Elon’s most memorable earnings call moments, though. Those will live in Tesla history.

Anyway, thanks for staying with us for our Live Blog once more. Until the next time!

15:38 PT: Elon mentions a number of key tidbits about Tesla Energy. With enough cells, Tesla could hi an annualized production of 1 million Powerwall’s next year. Long-term, Musk also noted that Tesla and its suppliers would have to produce 1,000-2,000 GWh worth of batteries per year.

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When asked about the company’s FSD subscription program, Musk highlighted that Tesla has to make the system work very well first. Until then, it would be difficult to forecast just how well FSD would do. “Once we have FSD fully deployed, then the value question will be clear,” Musk said.

15:30 PT: Pierre Ferragu News Street Research inquires about sourcing the company’s 4680 cells. Elon confirms that Tesla is working with its existing suppliers to produce 4680 cells for its vehicles. He also noted that Tesla’s iron-based vehicles will not use 4680 cylindrical cells, as predicted by some of the company’s more ardent bulls. Elon believes it would be ideal to do 1-3 cell formats, especially considering the massive backlog in demand for the company’s product lineup.

15:25 PT: Rod Lache of Wolfe Research asks about Tesla’s estimates for innovations such as rear castings and 4680 cells. Musk notes that making predictions is difficult. “You need a lot of crystal balls to predict exactly what it would be,” the CEO said. A follow-up question on the company’s advances in cell manufacturing technology was asked. Tesla notes that the company is making progress, but there are still challenges. Tesla notes that more than 90% of the processes have been proven, but things are still limited by the ones that have not been proven. The company, however, is happy with its dry electrode process.

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15:20 PT: When asked about other services that Tesla could offer, Elon Musk noted that FSD would be the main service that the company would offer. The CEO did note that Tesla is the leader in electrification and autonomy. This is an accurate statement, regardless of the controversy that surrounds the company.

Investor questions begin. First up is Colin Rusch from Oppenheimer. He asks about the take rates for FSD. Musk notes that it’s not worth promising on this right now, as it’s not meaningful. Tesla is focused on making FSD widely available. The analyst asks about any developments with regulators and their understanding of FSD technology. Musk responds that Tesla does not see a fundamental inhibitor in this light.

Musk reiterates his previous point, noting that once autonomous driving systems are proven to be safer than human drivers, regulators would likely be more welcome. He also reiterates his previous example of elevators, which used to be manual but are now fully automated. The same thing will likely happen with autonomous driving.

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15:15 PT: Last retail question for retail investors asked if Elon Musk would be open to interviews every so often on prolific TSLA bulls’ YouTube channels. “I would do it annually,” Musk said, seemingly after pondering the point. He also noted that over time, he would not be speaking in Tesla earnings calls anymore unless there’s something really important that he has to address. Elon would likely only speak during the Annual Shareholders’ Meeting.

15:12 PT: Elon notes that Tesla has a massive amount of equipment that will be coming for the mass production of 4680 cells. “Most likely, we’ll hit an annualized rate of 100 GWh per year by the end of next year,” Musk said.

15:10 PT: A question about the progress of the 4680 cells was asked. Musk noted that in limited volumes, the 4680 cells are reliable enough for vehicles already. It’s just a matter of overcoming challenges that are present when mass manufacturing the 4680 cells. “We will definitely make 4680 reliable enough for vehicles. There are a number of challenges when transitioning from small-scale production to large-scale production,” Musk said. The 4680 cells’ reliability has been validated, though, with cells having been tested for the *equivalent* of 1 million miles.

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15:07 PT: A question about Tesla’s plan to open the Supercharger Network to other EVs was brought up. Elon Musk notes that the process would be simple and app-based for non-Tesla owners. He did state that there will be a time constraint. “The biggest constraint to Superchargers is time,” Musk said, adding that there are times when charging stations are packed and other times when they are empty. “Tesla will also be smarter in terms of how it charges for electricity,” Musk added, noting that Tesla will use time-based pricing for non-Tesla EVs.

Non-Tesla EVs would have to use a Supercharger adapter, which Musk jokes would be available on Supercharger Stations. “Our goal is to support the advent of sustainable energy. Our intention is not to create a walled garden that we can use to bludgeon our competitors,” Musk jested. It was also highlighted that opening the Supercharger Network to other EVs would result in the system to grow even faster than ever before.

15:02 PT: Musk noted that Tesla is looking to strengthen its raw material supply chain. He states that Tesla no longer uses cobalt in its LFP packs, and the company may even shift to iron-based cells in the future as opposed to nickel-based cells. “We expect to have zero cobalt in the future,” Musk said. The CEO added that all stationary energy storage like Powerwalls and Megapacks will use iron-based battery cells.

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15:00 PT: The Tesla executive noted that the company plans to overshoot on cell for vehicles and routing cell output to Megapack and Powerwall if there is excess. And just like its present strategy, shortages in cells would likely result in a reduction in the production of the Powerwall and the Megapack.

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14:58 PT: Say questions from retail investors begin. First question is about the Cybertruck production. The company noted that it would be looking to ramp Cybertruck production in Gigafactory Texas after the Model Y production starts in the TX-based facility.

Elon Musk highlights the complexity of producing vehicles, and how each EV is comprised of thousands of parts. He notes that Tesla is fastest in history for scaling large manufactured objects, comparable to the Model T. He also noted that the Cybertruck and the Semi’s volume production would be greatly affected by cell availability.

However, Tesla is expecting to see a big boost in cell availability next year. “Maybe not in January,” Musk said, but sometime in the coming year. Musk hints at Tesla having twice as many cells next year compared to 2021. This is impressive considering that this year is already record-breaking.

Seemingly avoiding his typical over-optimistic estimates, Musk emphasizes that these are just current predictions and his estimates could change depending on challenges or obstacles that might come up.

14:53 PT: Musk concludes with a statement about Full Self-Driving, and how he is confident that Tesla could achieve autonomous driving.

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Tesla Chief Finance Officer Zachary Kirkhorn takes the floor, noting that the company’s financials even without credits improved substantially. He highlights Tesla’s decreasing ASP while maintaining margins for its vehicles, which was made possible by optimizing the company’s operations to a significant degree.

The CFO confirms that Tesla’s numbers for the year would be more notable in the third and fourth quarter. “Our 2021 volumes will skew for the second half of the year,” Kirkhorn said.

Tesla Model Y paint shop in Gigafactory Berlin. (Credit: Tesla)

14:48 PT: Elon discusses the Model Y line in Giga Berlin, which would be different from the Model Ys produced thus far. He still maintains that Giga Berlin and Giga Texas could go live with Model Y production later this year.

“The Model Y line in Texas and Berlin will look mostly like the Model Ys we make, but there will be substantial differences. The Model Y in Berlin will have a cast rear body and cast front body. We’re going to structural packs,” Musk said. The CEO did state that Tesla has a backup plan with a non-structural pack and 2170 cells, but 4680 cells will definitely be used for scale production.

14:45 PT: Musk discusses how Tesla rolled out contingencies to handle the challenges brought about by the chip shortage. He credits Tesla’s team and the company’s suppliers for helping the company resolve the material shortages. The CEO also discusses the release of FSD subscriptions, which would likely have high take rates as the advanced driver-assist system becomes more mature.

Musk notes that he is in Giga Texas, and he congratulates the team building its factories. “There’s nothing a year ago, and there’s a mostly complete large factory a year later,” Musk said, lauding Giga Texas’ team.

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14:40 PT: Martin Viecha takes the stage and opens with the basics. Elon and other executives are present for the earnings call. Elon starts his opening remarks. He highlights that Q2 2021 was a record quarter, in deliveries, production, and income. He also noted that electric vehicles are now at an inflection point, and that the market is now being more aware that EVs are the way forward.

14:38 PT: And we’re starting!

14:35 PT: A 5-minute delay is nothing to a Tesla veteran.

14:30 PT: And here we go. We’re at standby. 🙂 This is very on-character for Tesla.

Stamping press at Gigafactory Texas. (Credit: Tesla)

14:25 PT: Every Tesla bull remembers, after all, those days when TSLA stock was the very picture of volatility. As someone who has watched Tesla over the years, I’m not really sure which one I prefer. The understated consistency of a mature EV maker or the drama and excitement of a disruptor trying to find its wings?

14:20 PT: Strangely enough, Tesla stock has only risen 2.28% despite the company beating Wall Street’s expectations. I wonder if TSLA shares would see a boost in the coming months once more, just like in previous years? Still, it almost feels strange seeing Tesla only move this much after an impressive earnings report.

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14:15 PT: Good day, everyone, and welcome to another live blog of Tesla’s earnings call! It’s pretty amazing that just a couple of years ago, there were still big questions whether Tesla could be a sustainable business. Back then, thinking that Tesla would be profitable for a year straight already seemed like a longshot. And now we have eight consecutive profitable quarters. Anyway, we’re 15 minutes away from the Q2 2021 earnings call. Perhaps this will be a memorable one as well.

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Simon is an experienced automotive reporter with a passion for electric cars and clean energy. Fascinated by the world envisioned by Elon Musk, he hopes to make it to Mars (at least as a tourist) someday. For stories or tips--or even to just say a simple hello--send a message to his email, simon@teslarati.com or his handle on X, @ResidentSponge.

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Tesla blacklisted by Swedish pension fund AP7 as it sells entire stake

A Swedish pension fund is offloading its Tesla holdings for good.

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Tesla shares have been blacklisted by the Swedish pension fund AP7, who said earlier today that it has “verified violations of labor rights in the United States” by the automaker.

The fund ended up selling its entire stake, which was worth around $1.36 billion when it liquidated its holdings in late May. Reuters first reported on AP7’s move.

Other pension and retirement funds have relinquished some of their Tesla holdings due to CEO Elon Musk’s involvement in politics, among other reasons, and although the company’s stock has been a great contributor to growth for many funds over the past decade, these managers are not willing to see past the CEO’s right to free speech.

However, AP7 says the move is related not to Musk’s involvement in government nor his political stances. Instead, the fund said it verified several labor rights violations in the U.S.:

“AP7 has decided to blacklist Tesla due to verified violations of labor rights in the United States. Despite several years of dialogue with Tesla, including shareholder proposals in collaboration with other investors, the company has not taken sufficient measures to address the issues.”

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Tesla made up about 1 percent of the AP7 Equity Fund, according to a spokesperson. This equated to roughly 13 billion crowns, but the fund’s total assets were about 1,181 billion crowns at the end of May when the Tesla stake was sold off.

Tesla has had its share of labor lawsuits over the past few years, just as any large company deals with at some point or another. There have been claims of restrictions against labor union supporters, including one that Tesla was favored by judges, as they did not want pro-union clothing in the factory. Tesla argued that loose-fitting clothing presented a safety hazard, and the courts agreed.

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There have also been claims of racism at the Fremont Factory by a former elevator contractor named Owen Diaz. He was awarded a substantial sum of $137m. However, U.S. District Judge William Orrick ruled the $137 million award was excessive, reducing it to $15 million. Diaz rejected this sum.

Another jury awarded Diaz $3.2 million. Diaz’s legal team said this payout was inadequate. He and Tesla ultimately settled for an undisclosed amount.

AP7 did not list any of the current labor violations that it cited as its reason for

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xAI targets $5 billion debt offering to fuel company goals

Elon Musk’s xAI is targeting a $5B debt raise, led by Morgan Stanley, to scale its artificial intelligence efforts.

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xAI’s $5 billion debt offering, marketed by Morgan Stanley, underscores Elon Musk’s ambitious plans to expand the artificial intelligence venture. The xAI package comprises bonds and two loans, highlighting the company’s strategic push to fuel its artificial intelligence development.

Last week, Morgan Stanley began pitching a floating-rate term loan B at 97 cents on the dollar with a variable interest rate of 700 basis points over the SOFR benchmark, one source said. A second option offers a fixed-rate loan and bonds at 12%, with terms contingent on investor appetite. This “best efforts” transaction, where the debt size hinges on demand, reflects cautious lending in an uncertain economic climate.

According to Reuters sources, Morgan Stanley will not guarantee the issue volume or commit its own capital in the xAI deal, marking a shift from past commitments. The change in approach stems from lessons learned during Musk’s 2022 X acquisition when Morgan Stanley and six other banks held $13 billion in debt for over two years.

Morgan Stanley and the six other banks backing Musk’s X acquisition could only dispose of that debt earlier this year. They capitalized on X’s improved operating performance over the previous two quarters as traffic on the platform increased engagement around the U.S. presidential elections. This time, Morgan Stanley’s prudent strategy mitigates similar risks.

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Beyond debt, xAI is in talks to raise $20 billion in equity, potentially valuing the company between $120 billion and $200 billion, sources said. In April, Musk hinted at a significant valuation adjustment for xAI, stating he was looking to put a “proper value” on xAI during an investor call.

As xAI pursues this $5 billion debt offering, its financial strategy positions it to lead the AI revolution, blending innovation with market opportunity.

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Tesla tops Cathie Wood’s stock picks, predicts $2,600 surge

Tesla’s future lies beyond cars—with robotaxis, humanoid bots & AI-driven factories. Cathie Wood predicts a 9x surge in 5 years.

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Cathie Wood shared that Tesla is her top stock pick. During Steven Bartlett’s podcast “The Diary Of A CEO,” the Ark Invest founder highlighted Tesla’s innovative edge, citing its convergence of robotics, energy storage, and AI.

“Because think about it. It is a convergence among three of our major platforms. So, robots, energy storage, AI,” Wood said of Tesla. She emphasized the company’s potential beyond its current offerings, particularly with its Optimus robots.

“And it’s not stopping with robotaxis; there’s a story beyond that with humanoid robots, and our $2,600 number has nothing for humanoid robots. We just thought it’d be an investment, period,” she added.

In June 2024, Ark Invest issued a $2,600 price target for Tesla, which Wood reaffirmed in a March Bloomberg interview, projecting the stock to reach this level within five years. She told Bartlett that Tesla’s Optimus robots would drive productivity gains and create new revenue streams.

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Elon Musk echoed Wood’s optimism in a CNBC interview last month.

“We expect to have thousands of Optimus robots working in Tesla factories by the end of this year, beginning this fall. And we expect to scale Optimus up faster than any product, I think, in history to get to millions of units per year as soon as possible,” Musk said.

Tesla’s stock has faced volatility lately, hitting a peak closing price of $479 in December after President Donald Trump’s election win. However, Musk’s involvement with the White House DOGE office triggered protests and boycotts, contributing to a stock decline of over 40% from mid-December highs by March.

The volatility in Tesla stock alarmed investors, who urged Musk to refocus on the company. In a May earnings call, Musk responded, stating he would be “scaling down his involvement with DOGE to focus on Tesla.” Through it all, Cathie Wood and Ark Invest maintained their faith in Tesla. Wood, in particular, predicted that the “brand damage” Tesla experienced earlier this year would not be long term.

Despite recent fluctuations, Wood’s confidence in Tesla underscores its potential to redefine industries through AI and robotics. As Musk shifts his focus back to Tesla, the company’s advancements in Optimus and other innovations could drive it toward Wood’s ambitious $2,600 target, positioning Tesla as a leader in the evolving tech landscape.

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