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New photos have surfaced on Reddit of the Model 3 at a supercharging station. Unlike past photos, these show the Model 3’s charging screen and several crucial details around the vehicle. The Tesla engineer driving the test vehicle didn’t seem to mind photos being taken and even mentioned that they were driving the vehicle home for the night. Take a look at the different photos and features below.
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The Model 3 was seen with full autopilot hardware and this close-up of the front-facing cameras. The Tesla vision system looks nearly identical to the current Model S and X system, but with a new rain sensor added (top right sensor). The Tesla Model S and X previously had rain sensors like this one, but disappeared with the Autopilot 2 hardware.
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This is one of the first great images of the Model 3’s seats and roof. You can clearly get a sense of the vehicle’s headroom and the thickness of the center roof panel, which looks thinner than the Model S/X’s. It’s unclear from the photo if the headrests are adjustable.
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Nothing much has changed with the Model 3’s simplistic steering wheel design. It’s still unclear which controls the scroll wheels activate since there isn’t a screen in front of the steering wheel. It’s worth noting that the center console area looks well thought out, compared to the Model S’s lack of a center console at launch.
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Now for the most important photo out of the bunch, the charging screen. The screen clearly shows the vehicle’s charge level at 95 miles and was charging at 169 mph (worth noting that the stall next to the Model 3 was drawing power as well). After taking a closer look at the vehicle’s charge level, it looks to us that this particular vehicle has a range over 300 miles (312 miles to be exact). Sources at Tesla have previously told us that the Model 3 will launch with 60kWh and 75kWh batteries, so it can be assumed that this vehicle was equipped with the larger 75kWh battery.
This charging screen should also give Model 3 buyers a good sense of the layout; we have previously seen photos of the Model 3’s center screen, but with far less detail. The controls at the bottom of the screen appear easy to reach, and the screen seems well divided from left t0 right.
(Photo: You You Xue @youyouxue)
This white Model 3 was sporting new gray/black aerodynamic wheels. The Tesla Model S briefly had an option for aerodynamic wheels, but Tesla didn’t offer the wheels for long. This picture also gives a great look at the camera/turn signal unit on the side of the vehicle, which is similar to or the same as the Model S/X’s unit.
(Photo: You You Xue @youyouxue)
While we have known the location of the Model 3’s charging port for a few months, this image shows Tesla’s new charging indicator. Unlike the Model S/X’s flashing indicator ring, the Model 3 sports a subtle glowing Tesla logo just left of the port. The photographer noted that the Model 3’s charging port pops open remotely, but doesn’t open all the way like the Model S/X.
Check out the rest of the photos below of the Model 3’s white exterior:
Photos taken by You You Xue @youyouxue
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1 likes 4 months ago
[QUOTE="DoomSwitch, post: 6904, member: 9050"]No, this is just not realistic and you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
The dotted line appears to be at 90%. If you look at all the other information on the screen you can get a good estimate. 95 Miles is the current state of charge. The car is charging at 169 mi/h and there are 50 minutes remaining. Even if you assume that there will be a constant rate of charging at 169: (169mph(50min/60mins)+95) = 235.8 miles. adding 10% to get to 100% leaves us with ~ 259 miles. Since the rate of charge will ultimately slow down as the battery approaches max, the actual full capacity range is likely around 245-250 miles.[/QUOTE]
You may be right and this may be the 60 which theoretically should have the 245-250 range.
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[QUOTE="Michael Russo, post: 6988, member: 5998"]That may be, Kim, yet, boy, are they fugly... :confused:
[COLOR=#00b300]NomM≡[/COLOR] (Not on my Model ≡) :D[/QUOTE]
Michael.....???????????????????
What is happening with you?????????????
Saying something negative about the model 3....?????
Did you get a hit on the head????
But......if you don't take those wheels you never will reach 245 miles or more. You will be stuck even before you reach the border with France. And you want to move to the south of France?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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[QUOTE="Mergoscia, post: 7184, member: 7425"]Michael.....???????????????????
What is happening with you?????????????
Saying something negative about the model 3....?????
Did you get a hit on the head????
But......if you don't take those wheels you never will reach 245 miles or more. You will be stuck even before you reach the border with France. And you want to move to the south of France?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[/QUOTE]
Hello Pietro, how are you...?
Do not worry, I love T≡SLA and I am convinced that overall Model ≡ will be great, yet I have not completely lost my senses... and my personal taste. I will gladly trade a little bit of range for not having those horrible covers on Model ≡. Wheels are an integral part of makes or breaks the exterior attractiveness of a car and these simply don't cut it for me... Obviously, others may have a different views (some even go as far as calling them 'Unique Wheel Covers', UWC) and that is fine. IMHO, they are Ugly WCs... :D
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[QUOTE="Michael Russo, post: 7186, member: 5998"]Hello Pietro, how are you...?
Do not worry, I love T≡SLA and I am convinced that overall Model ≡ will be great, yet I have not completely lost my senses... and my personal taste. I will gladly trade a little bit of range for not having those horrible covers on Model ≡. Wheels are an integral part of makes or breaks the exterior attractiveness of a car and these simply don't cut it for me... Obviously, others may have a different views (some even go as far as calling them 'Unique Wheel Covers', UWC) and that is fine. IMHO, they are Ugly WCs... :D[/QUOTE]
Michael,
You really lost your senses..........never before I saw one negative word over the M3 coming from you.
I do not like the looks of those wheels either, but if, together with a 85 kWh, they take me as far as 300 miles in real life I will be more than happy to get stuck with them.
But........this week I spoke a fleet manager of a company. The company wanted 25 model S for their sales employees. So they tested a 85D (with a range given by Tesla of 435 km / 270 miles) and a 90D (predicted range of 557 km / 346 miles). In real life the 85D had a range of 240 km / 149 miles and the 90D had a range of around 290 km/ 180 miles. That is way of what Tesla or the NEDC predicted. The fleet manager and the company were disappointed. So they are looking for other cars.
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[QUOTE="Mergoscia, post: 7189, member: 7425"](...)
I do not like the looks of those wheels either, but if, together with a 85 kWh, they take me as far as 300 miles in real life I will be more than happy to get stuck with them.
(...)[/QUOTE]
Pietro, as reminded to you several times, there are currently no indications of a 85 kWh Model ≡ in the foreseeable future... Not saying ever, yet not for a few years possibly... On the other hand, the pics recently published, and at the origin of this thread, imply that you could get 300 miles of range, or close to it, with the expected 75 kWh larger battery size...
[QUOTE="Mergoscia, post: 7189, member: 7425"](...) So they tested a 85D (with a range given by Tesla of 435 km / 270 miles) and a 90D (predicted range of 557 km / 346 miles). In real life the 85D had a range of 240 km / 149 miles and the 90D had a range of around 290 km/ 180 miles. That is way of what Tesla or the NEDC predicted. The fleet manager and the company were disappointed. So they are looking for other cars.[/QUOTE]
Range as I trust you know is very dependent of a number of conditions. First of all, remember that the European NEDC norm overstates it notably compared to the EPA cycle in the US, much more realistic and probably about 2/3rds of the achievable range.
Not sure why they tested 85D and 90D Model S when neither of these two is still commercialized today. When was this? Anyways the best EPA range is given by the S100D (not the P100D), 335 mile or 540 real kms, of course under favorable conditions, e.g. steady speed of max 110-120 kms/h, decent temperature (say 18 to 24 deg.C).
Realistically I would imagine an S driven normally should guarantee you at least 300-350 kms between charges (seen you never do this at zero charge left & you'll not recharge to more than 80-90%).
If they only got 250-300 kms, that tells me most likely they test drove the cars with a rather heavy foot! ;). In any case, not sure what 'looking for other cars' entails... If they want EVs, it does not get any better with anybody else. If they fallback to ICE, well, that's not even a comparison and they're back to the 20th century... :p
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As I understood they tested those a year ago. And yes maybe with a heavy foot, but that is quite normal for salesmen in commercial driving, if they have to drive around The Netherlands in a day. I think that is a reality in life. Me as well this last one and half year I drove 48.000 km for my mother. And now for my new house( old house of my mother). If one drives those distances your rightfoot gets heavy, cause it are the hours one tries to minimize.
About the 85 kWh. It'll come...sooner then you think.
[SIZE=4]And another thing. I just saw [/SIZE][SIZE=6][SIZE=4]Elon Musk of SpaceX Introduces the Interplanetary Transport System. When he entered the stage, I saw the exact drawings of a man I made when I had the age of 6 / 7 untill aprox 15 years. At that time I was wondering who the man in my drawings was. Never would have thought I would buy a car from him 55 years later. Weird experience![/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=6][SIZE=4]What about the message Elon would reveal today, july second 2017????? When is that coming?[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[QUOTE="philsgu, post: 6869, member: 10870"]Not digging those particular wheels, but everything else looks gorgeous as seen. Can't wait to see it person.[/QUOTE]
Those wheels though may be the wheels that render the highest range the initial 75's have to offer.
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[QUOTE="Like Tesla, post: 6986, member: 7597"]Those wheels though may be the wheels that render the highest range the initial 75's have to offer.[/QUOTE]
That may be, Kim, yet, boy, are they fugly... :confused:
[COLOR=#00b300]NomM≡[/COLOR] (Not on my Model ≡) :D
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[QUOTE="philsgu, post: 6869, member: 10870"]Not digging those particular wheels, but everything else looks gorgeous as seen. Can't wait to see it person.[/QUOTE]
that's the best looking aerodynamic wheels i've ever seen
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I'm still not in love with the stalk mount for the display, but the rest of the car looks great.
The cup holders are well placed, and that arm rest appears to be a 'lift up' for extra storage space.
The nicest bit is 312 miles of range. That is over 5 hours on the highway and works quite well for me.
I think I'll be happy enough when mine arrives at a pick up point.
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If the charge port door does not open all the way automatically, then how would a self-driving car recharge without human assistance?
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Looks like a final version to me, a good interior overall for a mass targeted car. althought i'm a lil disapointed, taking into consideration that the interior of my 2014 golf looks better.
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What math gives you 312 miles range? For example, if we assume charging to 90% we get (95 + 169 * 50/60)/.9 = 262 miles. 80% gives 294 miles. (100% gives 235 miles.) If we assume 1/3 charged, 3 * 95 = 285 miles. I see no way that screen implies a 312 mile range.
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Eric, that dotted line is 90 % charge level. And therefore at 30 % charge level, Model 3 has 95 miles range. Therefore 95 / 3 * 10 = 316 miles for total range at 100 % charge level. Therefore, Model 3 range will be well over 300 miles and this was also expected range if we assume that Model 3 has similar efficiency as Hyundai Ionic and the battery size is scaled to 75 kWh.
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Which means that the $35,000 base Tesla Model 3 with the 60kWh battery pack could have a 250-mile range! Take that Chevy!
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So will the 75 kW battery be one of the options available to early reservists? I bet not so if you want the longer range you won't get the rebate. Except for those who worked for Tesla or previous owners anyway. I bet they will. Not happy about Tesla's treatement of reservists. We were lied to.
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[QUOTE="vincent wolf, post: 6861, member: 7114"]So will the 75 kW battery be one of the options available to early reservists? I bet not so if you want the longer range you won't get the rebate. Except for those who worked for Tesla or previous owners anyway. I bet they will. Not happy about Tesla's treatement of reservists. We were lied to.[/QUOTE]
Don't be too sure you got lied to, or that you won't get your car with the trimmings you like.
Elon said he would maximize the rebates, and to do this he has to do several things
> optimize the car with deliveries near the factory so any issues can be dealt with quickly and easily.
> scale up production while keeping USA deliveries below the 'threshold' = fill only the export market
> maximize deliveries to the USA in the first calendar year after Tesla passes the 'threshold' so every one of the USA early reservists gets a rebate.
I have been told that the larger battery option and 4 wheel drive should be available in 2018 but is unlikely to be offered in the early 2017 units (that you won't be getting unless you live near the Tesla Factory).
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[QUOTE="Jouni Valkonen, post: 6853, member: 10858"]Eric, that dotted line is 90 % charge level. And therefore at 30 % charge level, Model 3 has 95 miles range. Therefore 95 / 3 * 10 = 316 miles for total range at 100 % charge level. Therefore, Model 3 range will be well over 300 miles and this was also expected range if we assume that Model 3 has similar efficiency as Hyundai Ionic and the battery size is scaled to 75 kWh.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Not sure that number is more accurate than using the charge rate (I assume 30% is an estimate based on display), but at least I understand. If true that's awesome!
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Summary :
Model 3 60kwh = about 294 miles
Model 3 75kwh = about 328 miles
Breakdown:
"50 minutes remaining" is shown at the top left corner at a rate of 169 miles/hr converts to (50/60)*169 = 140 miles (till the dashed line)
95 miles (shown existing) + 140 miles to go = 235 miles
assuming the dashed bar is at 90% it would yield the following 235/.90 = 262 miles total possible
if assumed the dashed bar is at 80% it would yield the following 235/.80 = 294 miles total possible
Assuming this is probably a 60kwh battery it would yield 262/60 = 4.366 miles / kwh (Model S gets 4.47)
Then if you assume the article author is referring to a 75kwh car in the "300+ miles" claim the math would work as follows.
4.3666*75 = 327.5 miles
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Not digging those particular wheels, but everything else looks gorgeous as seen. Can't wait to see it person.
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That's actually a high standard. All my last 3 golfs had better fit and finish than the new Mercedes SUV I just drove.
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That does not look like a rain sensor, it's probably a light sensor to sense glare conditions for the cameras so they can change their ISO in compensation.
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Not sure I'll ever get used to that giant screen staring at me on the side that I have to take my eyes off the road to read. And can it be read if wearing sunglasses? Elon take peek at the MB EQ dash. Too late for M3 I'm sure but the MY is a possibility. And there's that nice MB EQ waiting for about the same price and it has AWD and it's a SUV. I've waited this long and another year or so may be worth while as more brands hit the showrooms. Still, can't wait to get the call to drive the M3.
No spaceship cabin here. We need to take everything this guy says with a big grain of salt. We'll believe it when and if we see it.
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[QUOTE="Dan8, post: 6889, member: 7639"]Not sure I'll ever get used to that giant screen staring at me on the side that I have to take my eyes off the road to read. And can it be read if wearing sunglasses? Elon take peek at the MB EQ dash. Too late for M3 I'm sure but the MY is a possibility. And there's that nice MB EQ waiting for about the same price and it has AWD and it's a SUV. I've waited this long and another year or so may be worth while as more brands hit the showrooms. Still, can't wait to get the call to drive the M3.
No spaceship cabin here. We need to take everything this guy says with a big grain of salt. We'll believe it when and if we see it.[/QUOTE]
I've driven a Scion xB since 2004. It has all the instruments in the center. You don't take your eyes off the road anymore than a normal panel behind the wheel (arguably less since you don't need to look through the steering wheel. Took me a drive or two to get used to it but don't even notice it anymore. If it's anywhere near as bright as a Model S no prob seeing through sunglasses.
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No digging the steering wheel. I love everything about it except for the steering wheel. The scroll balls look a little strange just by themselves, or just me? lol.
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[QUOTE="Jouni Valkonen, post: 6853, member: 10858"]Eric, that dotted line is 90 % charge level. And therefore at 30 % charge level, Model 3 has 95 miles range. Therefore 95 / 3 * 10 = 316 miles for total range at 100 % charge level. Therefore, Model 3 range will be well over 300 miles and this was also expected range if we assume that Model 3 has similar efficiency as Hyundai Ionic and the battery size is scaled to 75 kWh.[/QUOTE]
No, this is just not realistic and you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
The dotted line appears to be at 90%. If you look at all the other information on the screen you can get a good estimate. 95 Miles is the current state of charge. The car is charging at 169 mi/h and there are 50 minutes remaining. Even if you assume that there will be a constant rate of charging at 169: (169mph(50min/60mins)+95) = 235.8 miles. adding 10% to get to 100% leaves us with ~ 259 miles. Since the rate of charge will ultimately slow down as the battery approaches max, the actual full capacity range is likely around 245-250 miles.
