Porsche’s Mission E almost stacks up against Tesla’s Model S in price, range and performance

The Mission E will be a car that's two years newer than the Model S 100D it's being compared to. I should hope it far exceeds the 100D.

If it doesn't, I think Porsche will have a big problem - I doubt the Model S will enter 2019 without undergoing some changes.

The Porsche mission E is a bit swoopier than a Tesla S. It also gives up some interior room and cargo capacity. This will appeal to some people, but not to everyone. Still, at least it is a good looking car not a clown-mobile or butt Fugly.

What it does not have is access to a recharging system. This should reduce it's sales to persons wanting an "in town" car for getting back and forth to work but not for taking longer trips. Still, the market for this sort of usage is here, and it could generate enough sales to make it a successful product.

Is it serious competition to the Tesla S? NO.

It’s an article of nonsense. A vapourware Porsche of 2019/2020 might measure up against a real car of 2017? That doesn’t sound like great competition. As for ‘Clean diesel technology’...

"Similarly, Tesla’s Model S 100D is also all-wheel drive and can reach a top speed of 155 mph, with starting price of roughly $80,000."

Jesus. It's $97k before tax incentives and delivery fee in the US.

I mean I know we're all about Tesla (I own an 100D) but come on.

J. Taylor, what is "swoopier"?

Never mind. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/swoopy-cars.543790/

Why compare a 2020+ concept model to a 2016 Tesla S 100D? By 2020, you can buy a Tesla Model S 135D for the same price.

Styling is attractive and it’s got most of the electric performance numbers. It will sell decently well for a Porsche. It helps confirm Tesla leadership. Yep a 2020 Porsche promises to be as good as a 2017 Tesla in electric car basics. Missing however is the whole idea of Tesla cars as computers on wheels that can be software updated OTA like a rolling iPhone. If we go by company public statements, Teslas will be fully self driving by 2020. That’s a pretty decisive advantage if Porsche won’t be.

WTF? The porche is a sportcar, Tesla Model S is a huge sedan.
I would rather pay twice as mouch for the Tesla with all its features, practicality and awsome company culture.

competition is welcome.. i just wish it had a better look, not that i would ever plan to buy a porsche

It’s an article of nonsense. A vapourware Porsche of 2019/2020 might measure up against a real car of 2017? That doesn’t sound like great competition. As for ‘Clean diesel technology’...

Similar in concept to "clean porn"! lol

That Porsche is lookin bad ass - whoo

Wow I think that is a great looking car. Love the suicide doors! Derivative of the Cayman, which I am huge fan of. Worth putting down $1000 to get in line - definitely.

From the Porsche website: "...the battery can also be charged at a conventional public charging station or at home". Does this mean that the Mission E can be charged with a 400V outlet (vs a 800V outlet)? That would make a huge difference in terms of convenience/long distance travel.

https://www.porsche.com/microsite/mission-e/international.aspx#/charging

I thought Mattias Mueller was in jail for lying about diesel cars, and yet here is again claiming that his diesel engines are clean. Unbelievable. Having bought two VWs right before the scandal broke in 2015 and then watching them try to avoid paying for two years, I have had enough of Mr. Muellers lies.

The Porsche mission E is a bit swoopier than a Tesla S. It also gives up some interior room and cargo capacity. This will appeal to some people, but not to everyone. Still, at least it is a good looking car not a clown-mobile or butt Fugly.

What it does not have is access to a recharging system. This should reduce it's sales to persons wanting an "in town" car for getting back and forth to work but not for taking longer trips. Still, the market for this sort of usage is here, and it could generate enough sales to make it a successful product.

Is it serious competition to the Tesla S? NO.

Porsche Mission E website seems to (potentially?) indicate that it can also be charged at a 400v charging station. (link in my post above)

"Similarly, Tesla’s Model S 100D is also all-wheel drive and can reach a top speed of 155 mph, with starting price of roughly $80,000."

Jesus. It's $97k before tax incentives and delivery fee in the US.

I mean I know we're all about Tesla (I own an 100D) but come on.

Was going to say exactly the same. Porsche will actually have a $7500 rebate when it comes out, making it about $20k cheaper than a 100D. Extremely tempting.

It’s an article of nonsense. A vapourware Porsche of 2019/2020 might measure up against a real car of 2017? That doesn’t sound like great competition. As for ‘Clean diesel technology’...

I'd rephrase that a tad (yet maybe that is what you meant... ;)). The article is fine, yet some of the statements made by Porsche (VAG Group :rolleyes::rolleyes:) are nonsense. VAG has shown us in recent years that many of their claims need to be considered very carefully. For one thing, I will be VERY surprised if this car only costs 80-90 grand. For sure, in Europe, I don't imagine anything under €120k which would put it up to 10-20% over a decent T≡SLA S.

Now does it look good? That's another story. Ferrari design (to me) also remains to die for... ;)

Mission E would fail against the Model S and even more so against Tesla's Roadster 2.0, which could hit the market in 2019. Not sure what Porsche is trying to do here.

Mission E would fail against the Model S and even more so against Tesla's Roadster 2.0, which could hit the market in 2019. Not sure what Porsche is trying to do here.

Hi & welcome to the forum!

Not to defend Porsche yet in all fairness, the Mission E is targeting a different car segment than the Roadster 2.0, that by the way has been mooted to cost $150-200k. They are targeting buyers of Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7 and Panamera today, not to mention, rightly or wrongly, those smart EV-loving precursors who bought the S. Will they succeed? Well on the latter, that is debatable, yet they could have a go at the non-T≡SLA converted...

That is a seriously good looking car. Style alone will see it compete a bit, however I think most people are right when saying that comparing it to a current day Model S will see it left behind by 2019/2020. I'm assuming whilst the model 3 distraction is in full swing, the Model S will be getting some attention from the designers.

Porsche Mission E website seems to (potentially?) indicate that it can also be charged at a 400v charging station. (link in my post above)

Well sure it COULD be charged at a fast recharging station. Too bad that there are ZERO of these built in places you and I might like to drive. I'm not counting on even one getting built any time soon until I see a full recharge system program actually getting built.
We have all seen vaporware promises telling us to count our chickens before we even have eggs.

1) How many sit in the back seat? I.e. is this a 4-occupant car or a 5-occupant car? Is there a tunnel in the middle of the floor in the rear?

2) How much rear headroom is there? In their efforts to incorporate resemblance to the 911 roofline, they sacrifice rear seat headroom.

3) Is the front of the car a trunk, or is it taken up by mechanicals?

The bottom line is, this car is probably going to leave a lot to be desired in the practicality department, especially compared to the Model S. (leaving the 7-passenger rear seats option out of it!)

But this doesn't matter. Porsche's M.O. is "profits through high prices enabled by exclusivity." They don't mind if the design of the car sacrifices a lot of buyers. They don't want to sell that many cars anyway. They will engineer the car so it can be used around a racetrack, something that less than 0.1% of car drivers around the world ever do.

But we have created a world where *every* combustion car needs to be replaced by a BEV. This is why Tesla makes their cars appeal to as many people as possible, and trades racetrack usefulness for everyday practicality and massive appeal to a wide range of buyers. Their M.O. is "make the cars as cheap as they can be and appeal to as many buyers as possible."

RE: 800V charging... 800V is not available in most urban locations. 480V is what is carried around most cities. (it gets divided down to 240V and 120V).

So even if the Porsche is chargeable off a 800V supply, there won't be many of those around. It's done purely for advertising and marketing. 400V will be the main voltage provided for charging.

Well sure it COULD be charged at a fast recharging station. Too bad that there are ZERO of these built in places you and I might like to drive. I'm not counting on even one getting built any time soon until I see a full recharge system program actually getting built.
We have all seen vaporware promises telling us to count our chickens before we even have eggs.

As part of the diesel settlement, VAG must spend $2bb in the US on zero emission charging infrastructure, though they have up to a decade to do so. $800mm in CA, $1.2bb the rest of the country. A Tesla supercharging station now costs ~$250K in total construction/land costs. Assuming similar costs (reasonable? I have no idea) that's 8000 800v supercharging stations. Now a decade is a long time, but that is the maximum time to complete the investment and $2bb is the minimum required investment (and a small total investment for VAG). All-in they have the resources and a legal mandate to actually create a very extensive supercharging network.

As part of the diesel settlement, VAG must spend $2bb in the US on zero emission charging infrastructure, though they have up to a decade to do so .... All-in they have the resources and a legal mandate to actually create a very extensive supercharging network.

I totally agree that there are the financial resources and legal requirement to create an infrastructure for electric recharging.
However, Fossil fuel corporations have been seriously dragging their feet on going electric. The ten year window gives them an opportunity to continue this slowdown for several more years. They may change their attitude to electrics, but we do not see any current program rushing the recharge system into a usable infrastructure.
I'm not counting on even one getting built ((where I could use it)) any time soon until I see a full recharge system program actually getting built.