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Car enthusiast and Norway-based Model S owner Jim Roger Johansen admits that while his heart is with Tesla, the Porsche Taycan (formerly referred to as the Mission E sedan), “is something else.” Having a fondness for high-performance vehicles, Johansen states that he wants a high-performance electric car, but the next-generation Tesla Roadster, which starts at $200,000, is out of his price range. He is hoping that the Porsche Taycan would be the ideal vehicle to fill the gap between his Model S family car and the hypercar-beating next-generation Roadster.
Earlier this year, Johansen visited a Porsche dealer, expressing his interest in the vehicle then known as the Mission E sedan. During his visit, Porsche kept his email address and advised him that he would be receiving updates about the car. This April, he received a message from the German legacy automaker stating that the pre-orders for the Taycan are being opened for Norway. In order to keep his place in the priority queue for the vehicle, he was asked to pay Kr20,000 (about $2,250) on or before April 25.
In a statement to Teslarati, Johansen, who runs the Porsche Taycan Norway Facebook group, stated that Porsche’s reservation process for the Taycan was quick and straightforward. He was directed to a payment page for Norway-based customers, and after a quick credit card transaction, he found himself as one of Norway’s Porsche Taycan reservation holders. A confirmation email later sent to Johansen advised him to wait for a call from his favored Porsche dealer, where he would configure his Taycan according to his preferences.
A screenshot of Porsche’s confirmation email after paying the reservation fee for the Taycan. [Credit: Jim Roger Johansen]
The homepage of the 2018 Porsche Festival in Norway.
In a follow-up email after his payment, Porsche stated that the reservations for the vehicle were only opened for Norway then, considering that the country is an “extraordinary market” for electric cars.
“In Norway, we have an extraordinary market for electric cars, and we are currently the only country in the world to offer Porsche Taycan pre-booking. In other words, we are out early, asking for understanding that a lot of information about the car is not yet available.”
Earlier this month, Johansen received an update from the legacy carmaker, giving him free tickets to the upcoming 2018 Porsche Festival in Norway, which would be held on September 8-9. In an email about the event, Porsche stated that the complimentary tickets are a small way for the company to give back to early reservation holders for the all-electric vehicle. The final production version of the Taycan, after all, has not been unveiled to the public yet. Thus, reservation holders such as Johansen are counting on Porsche’s word that the final design of the vehicle would be akin to the stunning Mission E concept that still dominates the Taycan’s promotional materials today.
The 2018 Porsche Festival will feature a number of family-oriented events, such as LEGO motorsport-inspired activities, car shows, and go-carts. Mark Webber, a professional racing driver who was featured in a Mission E test drive video earlier this year, is also expected to be in attendance on the festival. With roughly more than 2,300 reservation holders for the Porsche Taycan in Norway as of date, Johansen is hoping that a teaser for the vehicle’s final production version would be unveiled sometime during the Porsche Festival.
Expectations are high that the Taycan would be released sometime in 2019. Johansen, however, believes that he would likely get his car around 2020. By that time, he is hoping to have the Porsche Taycan parked beside his family car, a Tesla Model S sedan with a (hopefully) refreshed interior, a slightly updated design, and 2170 batteries for even longer range.
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0 likes 3 months ago
Is this an ad?
That guy sits in front of a CG image. Can anyone point me a image of a final production model that is not CG? I don't think they exist.
Besides that, are you aware the post system feels broken?
That new login system will not log in the forum. It can be quite confusing.
Why the start page of the article doesn't say you how many posts has the article? It always makes me feel it has none. I need to click another button to show all posts, if there is any, that slowly creates a completely new page.
That guy sits in front of a CG image. Can anyone point me a image of a final production model that is not CG? I don't think they exist.
Besides that, are you aware the post system feels broken?
That new login system will not log in the forum. It can be quite confusing.
Why the start page of the article doesn't say you how many posts has the article? It always makes me feel it has none. I need to click another button to show all posts, if there is any, that slowly creates a completely new page.
0 likes 3 months ago
This sounds like FUD. Any true "Tesla Enthusiast" would have enough referral discounts to afford a Roadster 2020.
0 likes 3 months ago
Obviously, some folks here dont like competition.
Enough referrals to be able to afford a $250K Roadster huh?
You must be joking.
I've tried just referring anyone to step up to a TESLA, even a more modest one.
So far they all look at me and say "for $1500.00 a month you're flipping nutts!"
No one can service aside from TESLA
The insurance has gone up drastically.
I left GEICO 1st, then Progressive.. did you know FLO WON'T PROTECT YOUR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR??
The tires are $300 a piece plus.
A small dent costs $2500 or more to fix and you MUST go to a special shop.
My friends bought the Chevy Volt or Bolt.
No problems.
A whole set of tires is under $800 installed.
Chevy dealership locations can service virually anywhere if need be.
The no cash down lease is under $400
Anyone can fix dents way cheaper.
No problems getting reasonable insurance.
Little or even no gasoline use at all.
Can park in the local Walmart lot littered with unreturned carts.
Yeah.. park in that lot for a few hours.. Go ahead.... I dare you !
No expensive home charger set up needed.
Ps.. PLEASE , if you are considering a TESLA MS or MX.. have a heart, contact me to use my referral code.. Its STILL a virgin at 32 months and counting!!
None of the jokers here really want the truth.
The 1% REALLY do live in fantasy land at the expense of the other 99%.
I blame the Sierra club and Drive Electric! events for my TESLA over exuberance .
Oh..and since the last update.. my Controls screen is now very slow to show. More OTA glitching.
Enough referrals to be able to afford a $250K Roadster huh?
You must be joking.
I've tried just referring anyone to step up to a TESLA, even a more modest one.
So far they all look at me and say "for $1500.00 a month you're flipping nutts!"
No one can service aside from TESLA
The insurance has gone up drastically.
I left GEICO 1st, then Progressive.. did you know FLO WON'T PROTECT YOUR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR??
The tires are $300 a piece plus.
A small dent costs $2500 or more to fix and you MUST go to a special shop.
My friends bought the Chevy Volt or Bolt.
No problems.
A whole set of tires is under $800 installed.
Chevy dealership locations can service virually anywhere if need be.
The no cash down lease is under $400
Anyone can fix dents way cheaper.
No problems getting reasonable insurance.
Little or even no gasoline use at all.
Can park in the local Walmart lot littered with unreturned carts.
Yeah.. park in that lot for a few hours.. Go ahead.... I dare you !
No expensive home charger set up needed.
Ps.. PLEASE , if you are considering a TESLA MS or MX.. have a heart, contact me to use my referral code.. Its STILL a virgin at 32 months and counting!!
None of the jokers here really want the truth.
The 1% REALLY do live in fantasy land at the expense of the other 99%.
I blame the Sierra club and Drive Electric! events for my TESLA over exuberance .
Oh..and since the last update.. my Controls screen is now very slow to show. More OTA glitching.
0 likes 3 months ago
joeski1 , are you aware the referral code is a way to promote Teslas? How you are going to have any chance of anyone using your referral code if your post AND your thumbnail is basically a Tesla bashing thing?
Is this really some kind of rhetorical thing where you enforce your message saying the opposite to what you do? Of you really think is a effective way to promote your referral code?
By the way competition is good. Jaguar electric car is competition. About this CG image, not sure yet until they release it in 2020
Is this really some kind of rhetorical thing where you enforce your message saying the opposite to what you do? Of you really think is a effective way to promote your referral code?
By the way competition is good. Jaguar electric car is competition. About this CG image, not sure yet until they release it in 2020
0 likes 3 months ago
joeski1 , are you aware the referral code is a way to promote Teslas? How you are going to have any chance of anyone using your referral code if your post AND your thumbnail is basically a Tesla bashing thing?
Is this really some kind of rhetorical thing where you enforce your message saying the opposite to what you do? Of you really think is a effective way to promote your referral code?
By the way competition is good. Jaguar electric car is competition. About this CG image, not sure yet until they release it in 2020
So TESLA never promoted the MS as a $49900 vehicle?
I only speak the facts.
I am not a TESLA sales specialist.
Can TESLA sell vehicles based on fact?
I gave you facts from personal experience.
I will certainly look at the jag..
But I like full size sedans.
Are you writing that I should color the TESLA facts with bias against other vehicles because I am a TESLA enthusiast?
How is your touch screen working after the beta nav update.?
Does it go to Controls in a split second still like it used to?
Let me know if you want a code.. I can get anyone unlimited free supercharger use as long as they can afford their TES...THAT IS a fact.
Ps..I own no stock in TESLA, SpaceX or what was Solar City, nor do I own stock in any other vehicle manufacturer or fossil fuel related outfit.
But I am a Sierra Club member since 1999.
0 likes 3 months ago
You keep digging in your anti Tesla rhetoric that I don't share but I can understand.
But my point was not about that but about your:
"Ps.. PLEASE , if you are considering a TESLA MS or MX.. have a heart, contact me to use my referral code.. Its STILL a virgin at 32 months and counting!!"
You can point it was simply sarcasm or explain how your post style can help you to promote your code.
But my point was not about that but about your:
"Ps.. PLEASE , if you are considering a TESLA MS or MX.. have a heart, contact me to use my referral code.. Its STILL a virgin at 32 months and counting!!"
You can point it was simply sarcasm or explain how your post style can help you to promote your code.
0 likes 3 months ago
You keep digging in your anti Tesla rhetoric that I don't share but I can understand.
But my point was not about that but about your:
"Ps.. PLEASE , if you are considering a TESLA MS or MX.. have a heart, contact me to use my referral code.. Its STILL a virgin at 32 months and counting!!"
You can point it was simply sarcasm or explain how your post style can help you to promote your code.
I own 7 TESLA T shirts, a $90 beach towel, and a $200 jacket.
I'd say I am qualified.
But I dont misrepresent.
If this bogus site worked right off Android, .I'd upload some photos of my TESLA gear..
0 likes 3 months ago
Do you mean you don't own a Tesla car?
0 likes 3 months ago
Do you mean you don't own a Tesla car?
I lease it. The bank owns it.
I pay $1441 a month.
Do you OWN yours?
0 likes 3 months ago
No, and I have not done anyway any affirmation about using a Tesla, have I?
You have not said yet if your code comment was sarcasm.
You could get rid of your Tesla as soon the lease expires, that I guess is soon.
I suppose you have several cars as below your thumbnail you have a link to your profile of gas car owner.
I think is unfair to compare the Tesla with the other cars. Your Tesla S has a lot higher price and is in the luxury car range. That type of cars only have maintenance costs for those that can afford it. No matter what brand. I certainly can't afford it. I would wait to the cheaper model 3
You have not said yet if your code comment was sarcasm.
You could get rid of your Tesla as soon the lease expires, that I guess is soon.
I suppose you have several cars as below your thumbnail you have a link to your profile of gas car owner.
I think is unfair to compare the Tesla with the other cars. Your Tesla S has a lot higher price and is in the luxury car range. That type of cars only have maintenance costs for those that can afford it. No matter what brand. I certainly can't afford it. I would wait to the cheaper model 3
0 likes 3 months ago
And still no end to end charging Video of any test mule of Mission-E/Tycan marvel charging at best in class 350kW/800V.
=> What is the problem ?
=> What is the problem ?
0 likes 3 months ago
You need first a car for that, not a CG image. And a charging network. And two years more at least.
I understand that they see the Elon times and they say, why not us also? But Elon at leasts shows working final designs. And people can drive them as passangers,
I understand that they see the Elon times and they say, why not us also? But Elon at leasts shows working final designs. And people can drive them as passangers,
0 likes 3 months ago
So TESLA never promoted the MS as a $49900 vehicle?
I only speak the facts.
I am not a TESLA sales specialist.
Can TESLA sell vehicles based on fact?
I gave you facts from personal experience.
I will certainly look at the jag..
But I like full size sedans.
Are you writing that I should color the TESLA facts with bias against other vehicles because I am a TESLA enthusiast?
How is your touch screen working after the beta nav update.?
Does it go to Controls in a split second still like it used to?
Let me know if you want a code.. I can get anyone unlimited free supercharger use as long as they can afford their TES...THAT IS a fact.
Ps..I own no stock in TESLA, SpaceX or what was Solar City, nor do I own stock in any other vehicle manufacturer or fossil fuel related outfit.
But I am a Sierra Club member since 1999.
0 likes 3 months ago
So TESLA never promoted the MS as a $49900 vehicle?
I only speak the facts.
I am not a TESLA sales specialist.
Can TESLA sell vehicles based on fact?
I gave you facts from personal experience.
I will certainly look at the jag..
But I like full size sedans.
Are you writing that I should color the TESLA facts with bias against other vehicles because I am a TESLA enthusiast?
How is your touch screen working after the beta nav update.?
Does it go to Controls in a split second still like it used to?
Let me know if you want a code.. I can get anyone unlimited free supercharger use as long as they can afford their TES...THAT IS a fact.
Ps..I own no stock in TESLA, SpaceX or what was Solar City, nor do I own stock in any other vehicle manufacturer or fossil fuel related outfit.
But I am a Sierra Club member since 1999.
Sorry have to call BS here.
Model 3 payments totally affordable as is insurance, friend had Mod S repaired and the costs were normal from dents. Screens, updates, all perfect. If anyone wants to verify my name is Dave Rand, you can email me [email]dave@daverand.com[/email] don't believe these internet trolls. They are everywhere and one of the reasons I buy the stock, so much effort afoot to kill this company....everyone, especially the majors are taking so seriously as a real threat that they employ every means available to stop it.
0 likes 3 months ago
I'm looking for a TESLA enthusiast article. Can anyone direct me?
0 likes 3 months ago
Why can’t people just get real, Porsche and Jag are just the beginning of a huge and diverse emerging competition which will offer different features, advantages and stylings. Tesla fans remind me of apple fanatics who will buy the latest model no matter what....Tesla is not the only kid on the block anyone and in the next 5 to 10 years you won’t recognise the electric car market. It’s called progress! Mercedes, Aston Martin, BMW etc are all marching towards a great range of vehicles and Tesla won’t hold all the aces, great technology breakthroughs will occurs in other manufacturing laboratories. I predic Tesla will be about as popular as American ICE cars are in Europe when the giant European brands get properly behind electric. Sorry to burst the bubble but the glory days of Tesla monopoly are going to dwindle.
0 likes 3 months ago
I guess I'm confused by all the complaining Joeski. If you want a Bolt, certainly get one, but it doesn't compare to a Model S or X. As an X90D owner, yes, I own, don't lease, I've had zero issues with my X, driving it to both coasts and all over the US.
Tires aren't $300+ a piece unless you have 22inch wheels (which you can expect if you buy low profile tires). BTW, you check out Bolt tires? On average $150-$175 a piece. Can you get tires under $100, yes. You can also get Tires that fit a Tesla with 20" rims for $105 at Discount Tire if you want to go cheap. Yes, you can get cheap tires for both (but I don't recommend).
My insurance with American Family has actually gone down compared to last year, not up.
A small dent any skilled dent expert can fix, yes even on Aluminum. If its large, you're going to need a body shop for a Bolt as well.
Chevy dealers certainly can service anywhere and so can Tesla service centers and mobile units. I've never had issues getting the very limited service I've needed now 35k miles later.
How does a Tesla need an expensive home charger? While I do have a dedicated Tesla charger at home I also have a Level 2 30 AMP Clipper Creek plugged into a former welder plug in my garage to charge my Ford CMax Energi which still cost $350. What are you charging the Bolt on? You're still going to need a dedicated or high amp line for a quicker charge. That Clipper Creek would service a Tesla just fine. Tesla doesn't mandate their charge so this argument is null.
I think it says something that you are okay leaving a Bolt in a Walmart parking lot to take abuse and not a Tesla. That says everything about the attractiveness of the two vehicles.
Sounds to me your over exuberance was a lack of research, like on insurance, tires, charging, etc. So sell your S and get a Bolt. I'm glad GM has built a decent EV. For me, who likes to drive long distances in comfort, there is nothing quite like our X (with the bonus of a supercharging network. Good luck taking a Bolt conveniently on journey of any significant distance over its range).
In the end though, comparing an S or X to a Bolt isn't a fair comparison. They are three very different vehicles. If you want to compare, compare to a Model 3 (which still isn't even a comparison with superior acceleration, handling, tech and looks). The S and X are luxury cars, the Bolt, ah... not so much (I actually prefer the looks of my CMax over the Bolt). Has the basic Model 3 come out yet? Nope. Until then if you can't afford the extra money for a more premium 3 get a Bolt.
Tires aren't $300+ a piece unless you have 22inch wheels (which you can expect if you buy low profile tires). BTW, you check out Bolt tires? On average $150-$175 a piece. Can you get tires under $100, yes. You can also get Tires that fit a Tesla with 20" rims for $105 at Discount Tire if you want to go cheap. Yes, you can get cheap tires for both (but I don't recommend).
My insurance with American Family has actually gone down compared to last year, not up.
A small dent any skilled dent expert can fix, yes even on Aluminum. If its large, you're going to need a body shop for a Bolt as well.
Chevy dealers certainly can service anywhere and so can Tesla service centers and mobile units. I've never had issues getting the very limited service I've needed now 35k miles later.
How does a Tesla need an expensive home charger? While I do have a dedicated Tesla charger at home I also have a Level 2 30 AMP Clipper Creek plugged into a former welder plug in my garage to charge my Ford CMax Energi which still cost $350. What are you charging the Bolt on? You're still going to need a dedicated or high amp line for a quicker charge. That Clipper Creek would service a Tesla just fine. Tesla doesn't mandate their charge so this argument is null.
I think it says something that you are okay leaving a Bolt in a Walmart parking lot to take abuse and not a Tesla. That says everything about the attractiveness of the two vehicles.
Sounds to me your over exuberance was a lack of research, like on insurance, tires, charging, etc. So sell your S and get a Bolt. I'm glad GM has built a decent EV. For me, who likes to drive long distances in comfort, there is nothing quite like our X (with the bonus of a supercharging network. Good luck taking a Bolt conveniently on journey of any significant distance over its range).
In the end though, comparing an S or X to a Bolt isn't a fair comparison. They are three very different vehicles. If you want to compare, compare to a Model 3 (which still isn't even a comparison with superior acceleration, handling, tech and looks). The S and X are luxury cars, the Bolt, ah... not so much (I actually prefer the looks of my CMax over the Bolt). Has the basic Model 3 come out yet? Nope. Until then if you can't afford the extra money for a more premium 3 get a Bolt.
Obviously, some folks here dont like competition.
Enough referrals to be able to afford a $250K Roadster huh?
You must be joking.
I've tried just referring anyone to step up to a TESLA, even a more modest one.
So far they all look at me and say "for $1500.00 a month you're flipping nutts!"
No one can service aside from TESLA
The insurance has gone up drastically.
I left GEICO 1st, then Progressive.. did you know FLO WON'T PROTECT YOUR RESIDENTIAL SOLAR??
The tires are $300 a piece plus.
A small dent costs $2500 or more to fix and you MUST go to a special shop.
My friends bought the Chevy Volt or Bolt.
No problems.
A whole set of tires is under $800 installed.
Chevy dealership locations can service virually anywhere if need be.
The no cash down lease is under $400
Anyone can fix dents way cheaper.
No problems getting reasonable insurance.
Little or even no gasoline use at all.
Can park in the local Walmart lot littered with unreturned carts.
Yeah.. park in that lot for a few hours.. Go ahead.... I dare you !
No expensive home charger set up needed.
Ps.. PLEASE , if you are considering a TESLA MS or MX.. have a heart, contact me to use my referral code.. Its STILL a virgin at 32 months and counting!!
None of the jokers here really want the truth.
The 1% REALLY do live in fantasy land at the expense of the other 99%.
I blame the Sierra club and Drive Electric! events for my TESLA over exuberance .
Oh..and since the last update.. my Controls screen is now very slow to show. More OTA glitching.
0 likes 3 months ago
I think there are room for both. I do find it interesting the base Taycan is more expensive the the S and the performance version more expensive than the S as well, with less performance than the S. Perhaps the Taycan will handle a bit better due to its pedigree but its far behind and the test mules I've seen aren't nearly as pretty as the CG renderings were. Oh and good luck charging it with its high speed mode with very few places in the US or Europe having the ability yet.
What is really interesting is the new P3D, from all reviews is an absolute track monster. Its as fast as the top of the line Taycan, will likely be as good at handling or better (all reviews are that the handling is unreal and superior to the S) and be half the price of the performance Taycan.
What is really interesting is the new P3D, from all reviews is an absolute track monster. Its as fast as the top of the line Taycan, will likely be as good at handling or better (all reviews are that the handling is unreal and superior to the S) and be half the price of the performance Taycan.
Why can’t people just get real, Porsche and Jag are just the beginning of a huge and diverse emerging competition which will offer different features, advantages and stylings. Tesla fans remind me of apple fanatics who will buy the latest model no matter what....Tesla is not the only kid on the block anyone and in the next 5 to 10 years you won’t recognise the electric car market. It’s called progress! Mercedes, Aston Martin, BMW etc are all marching towards a great range of vehicles and Tesla won’t hold all the aces, great technology breakthroughs will occurs in other manufacturing laboratories. I predic Tesla will be about as popular as American ICE cars are in Europe when the giant European brands get properly behind electric. Sorry to burst the bubble but the glory days of Tesla monopoly are going to dwindle.
0 likes 3 months ago
"Why can’t people just get real,"
Who does get real? You guessing the future or us talking about facts?
Yes you could be right, but you are only guessing.
The fact is the car only exists in CG screensavers and won't be available until 2020 and they need to build a charging network.
The car could be great etc. Simply it is not happening any time soon. And when appears will be in low numbers typical of a expensive car. Meantime model 3 is selling loads and will be in a even better position in 2020.
I think is logical to think that eventually electric cars will become a very competitive market. Meantime car manufacturers are dragging their feet. I would love everyone owning a electric car regardless Tesla becomes a mayor player or not. My guess is that Tesla never will reach the level of VW or similar but will have a decent position in the market.
And yes, for sure, sometime on the future Porsche will release a great car, that will fail if they don't have a charging network.
Who does get real? You guessing the future or us talking about facts?
Yes you could be right, but you are only guessing.
The fact is the car only exists in CG screensavers and won't be available until 2020 and they need to build a charging network.
The car could be great etc. Simply it is not happening any time soon. And when appears will be in low numbers typical of a expensive car. Meantime model 3 is selling loads and will be in a even better position in 2020.
I think is logical to think that eventually electric cars will become a very competitive market. Meantime car manufacturers are dragging their feet. I would love everyone owning a electric car regardless Tesla becomes a mayor player or not. My guess is that Tesla never will reach the level of VW or similar but will have a decent position in the market.
And yes, for sure, sometime on the future Porsche will release a great car, that will fail if they don't have a charging network.
0 likes 3 months ago
'Pre-ordered'?
Not sure what the deal here is.......he now has a 'deposit' like many, many in the US have.......and, like many in the US, also hasn't seen what the car will look like.
Maybe the deal here is that since he paid the $2250. directly to Porsche.....he may have a tougher time getting it back should the Taycan turn out looking more like the mules than the 'E'. We'll see.
Not sure what the deal here is.......he now has a 'deposit' like many, many in the US have.......and, like many in the US, also hasn't seen what the car will look like.
Maybe the deal here is that since he paid the $2250. directly to Porsche.....he may have a tougher time getting it back should the Taycan turn out looking more like the mules than the 'E'. We'll see.
0 likes 3 months ago
The terms of the "deposit program" make it sound like a means of letting prospective buyers throw money at Porsche dealerships:
Except as may specifically be described in these General Terms and Conditions, PCNA shall have no obligation to Prospective Buyer in respect of the Taycan Deposit Program. In particular, but without limiting the generality of the foregoing, by participating in the Taycan Deposit Program, Prospective Buyer shall not acquire (i) any right to purchase a Porsche Taycan vehicle, (ii) any claim against PCNA, Dealer or any other Porsche dealer, or the manufacturer for delivery of a Porsche Taycan vehicle, or (iii) any claim for preferential treatment respecting the purchase of a Porsche Taycan vehicle as compared to customers who did not participate in the Taycan Deposit Program.
Except as may specifically be described in these General Terms and Conditions, PCNA shall have no obligation to Prospective Buyer in respect of the Taycan Deposit Program. In particular, but without limiting the generality of the foregoing, by participating in the Taycan Deposit Program, Prospective Buyer shall not acquire (i) any right to purchase a Porsche Taycan vehicle, (ii) any claim against PCNA, Dealer or any other Porsche dealer, or the manufacturer for delivery of a Porsche Taycan vehicle, or (iii) any claim for preferential treatment respecting the purchase of a Porsche Taycan vehicle as compared to customers who did not participate in the Taycan Deposit Program.
